EP027 – Is using a #WordPress page builder “cheating”? – WPblab

EP027 – Is using a #WordPress page builder “cheating”? – WPblab

This is a replay of the live broadcast with Jason Tucker, Bridget Willard, Roy Sivan, Kevin Hoffman, Verious Smith III, and Adam Thomson

Page Builders Discussed

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Verious Smith III

yummy coffee!

James M

ummm coffee

Verious Smith III

hello wp-blab! I would call in guys but I am at Starbucks now.

Brianna Privett

I’ve found that when I’m considering page builders to make it easier on the clients to create and curate content, I am drawn to front-end editing capability. This is being discussed elsewhere but the Dashboard itself is a big hurdle to a lot of users and the ability to edit the page in place is a big deal.

Jason Tucker

๐Ÿ™‚

Iris Messina

“Bridgetible” love it!!

Jason Tucker

#bridgetable

Adam Thomson

Sorry if that’s tl;dnr

Adam Thomson

I charge for the initial build, and then a small amount monthly for hosting, updating plugins, etc. I also charge p/h for template changes. I teach the client to do their own content though, and leave them to it for the most part. Them I’m onto the next project. Pagebuilders have been great for this because drag-n-drop is the best selling point imo. It’s probably not the best business model for me, but seems to be what people want…

Bridget Willard

@royboy789 We double-dog dare you to join, Roy. ๐Ÿ˜€

Bridget Willard

@ListingVideosLA BOOM! Exactly Iris!

James M

reverse trolling

Roy Sivan

if you are saying the point is to just sell a site that makes money, coudln’t you argue that Beaver Builder , etc. is TOO Complicated

Iris Messina

The lawyer charged their client $1000 for a letter. When the client demanded an explanation and a new bill. The lawyer gave them a bill as follows: Letter $100. 3 years of law school; 5 years of practice: $900

Roy Sivan

everyone cares about code

Roy Sivan

hey! i take offense to taht

James M

took me a long long time to realize taht

James M

12 year olds can make websites, so that’s not what they are paying for

Iris Messina

you are charging for your knowledge

Tara Claeys

@jamesmaabadi Yes

James M

can then use the time to provide value elsewhere on their project

James M

personally i think charge the same

Tara Claeys

Beaver Builder ++

Tara Claeys

Should we charge less when we use a builder, or more because it makes it easier for the client to work with their site going forward? Beaver Builder has a white label agency option so the client doesn’t even know what is being used

Bridget Willard

@AdamThomson for sure

Adam Thomson

A big selling point of WP is that people can edit their websites easily. Aren’t page builders are just further expanding on that?

James M

i used to think themes were cheating

James M

how far do you have to go back to not cheat? do we need to invent our own markup language for a plumbers website?

Adam Thomson

^haha this guy…

Iris Messina

Taken to the extreme, using electricity can be considered ‘cheating’

James M

not at all, imo

Adam Thomson

I think a good reason for using one is you can teach a n00b content editor to create responsive content pretty quickly and easily…

Bridget Willard

@ListingVideosLA lol

Iris Messina

and walk 10 miles thru the snow

Tara Claeys

It feels like it’s cheating. But then it makes things so much easier – learning to get over it

Adam Thomson

Page builders are cheating for devs, sure, but are they necessary if you have n00b content editors…?

Bridget Willard

#BobTheBuilder ๐Ÿ˜€

Bridget Willard

@TaraClaeys Totally

Tara Claeys

It feels odd to have things work so easily – we like to make things hard for ourselves

Michael Ozer

It”s a builder that makes pages

Bridget Willard

@ListingVideosLA lol

Iris Messina

You’re so right; lets not use changing technology. Time to dump the smartphones!!

Bridget Willard

@MichaelOzer1 ha ha ha

Bridget Willard

@ListingVideosLA lol

Michael Ozer

Yes! Controversy is Awesome!

Iris Messina

I was up around 2:30a – maybe we should start texting each other

Iris Messina

oooh! Behave badly!

Michael Ozer

Hi Guys!

Iris Messina

Hi everyone!!

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