EP027 – Is using a #WordPress page builder “cheating”? – WPblab

This is a replay of the live broadcast with Jason Tucker, Bridget Willard, Roy Sivan, Kevin Hoffman, Verious Smith III, and Adam Thomson

Page Builders Discussed

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Weekly Watercooler Discussions about WordPress and it’s community.

352 responses to “EP027 – Is using a #WordPress page builder “cheating”? – WPblab

  1. Jason Tucker Avatar

    I’m looking forward to tonight’s discussion about Page Builders and how they are perceived and used in our Web Dev community.

  2. Iris Messina Avatar

    oooh! Behave badly!

  3. Iris Messina Avatar

    I was up around 2:30a – maybe we should start texting each other

  4. Bridget Willard Avatar

    @ListingVideosLA lol

  5. Michael Ozer Avatar

    Yes! Controversy is Awesome!

  6. Bridget Willard Avatar

    @MichaelOzer1 ha ha ha

  7. Iris Messina Avatar

    You’re so right; lets not use changing technology. Time to dump the smartphones!!

  8. Bridget Willard Avatar

    @ListingVideosLA lol

  9. Tara Claeys Avatar

    It feels odd to have things work so easily – we like to make things hard for ourselves

  10. Bridget Willard Avatar

    @TaraClaeys Totally

  11. Michael Ozer Avatar

    It”s a builder that makes pages

  12. Bridget Willard Avatar

    #BobTheBuilder 😀

  13. Tara Claeys Avatar

    It feels like it’s cheating. But then it makes things so much easier – learning to get over it

  14. Bridget Willard Avatar

    @ListingVideosLA lol

  15. Iris Messina Avatar

    and walk 10 miles thru the snow

  16. Adam Thomson Avatar

    Page builders are cheating for devs, sure, but are they necessary if you have n00b content editors…?

  17. Adam Thomson Avatar

    I think a good reason for using one is you can teach a n00b content editor to create responsive content pretty quickly and easily…

  18. James M Avatar

    not at all, imo

  19. Iris Messina Avatar

    Taken to the extreme, using electricity can be considered ‘cheating’

  20. Adam Thomson Avatar

    ^haha this guy…

  21. James M Avatar

    how far do you have to go back to not cheat? do we need to invent our own markup language for a plumbers website?

  22. James M Avatar

    i used to think themes were cheating

  23. Adam Thomson Avatar

    A big selling point of WP is that people can edit their websites easily. Aren’t page builders are just further expanding on that?

  24. Bridget Willard Avatar

    @AdamThomson for sure

  25. Tara Claeys Avatar

    @jamesmaabadi Yes

  26. Tara Claeys Avatar

    Should we charge less when we use a builder, or more because it makes it easier for the client to work with their site going forward? Beaver Builder has a white label agency option so the client doesn’t even know what is being used

  27. Tara Claeys Avatar

    Beaver Builder ++

  28. James M Avatar

    personally i think charge the same

  29. James M Avatar

    can then use the time to provide value elsewhere on their project

  30. Iris Messina Avatar

    you are charging for your knowledge

  31. James M Avatar

    12 year olds can make websites, so that’s not what they are paying for

  32. James M Avatar

    took me a long long time to realize taht

  33. Roy Sivan Avatar

    hey! i take offense to taht

  34. Roy Sivan Avatar

    everyone cares about code

  35. James M Avatar

    reverse trolling

  36. Roy Sivan Avatar

    if you are saying the point is to just sell a site that makes money, coudln’t you argue that Beaver Builder , etc. is TOO Complicated

  37. Bridget Willard Avatar

    @ListingVideosLA BOOM! Exactly Iris!

  38. Bridget Willard Avatar

    @royboy789 We double-dog dare you to join, Roy. 😀

  39. Iris Messina Avatar

    The lawyer charged their client $1000 for a letter. When the client demanded an explanation and a new bill. The lawyer gave them a bill as follows: Letter $100. 3 years of law school; 5 years of practice: $900

  40. Adam Thomson Avatar

    I charge for the initial build, and then a small amount monthly for hosting, updating plugins, etc. I also charge p/h for template changes. I teach the client to do their own content though, and leave them to it for the most part. Them I’m onto the next project. Pagebuilders have been great for this because drag-n-drop is the best selling point imo. It’s probably not the best business model for me, but seems to be what people want…

  41. Adam Thomson Avatar

    Sorry if that’s tl;dnr

  42. James M Avatar
  43. Bridget Willard Avatar

    @VeriousSmithIII HI!!!!!

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