[00:00:00] Jason Tucker: This is episode number 427 of WPwatercooler exposing the WordPress photo directory.
[00:00:15] Sé Reed: It’s a
[00:00:16] Jason Tucker: a pun. I’m Jason Tucker. You can find me at Jason Tucker on Twitter.
[00:00:21] Steve Zehngut: Exposing I get it. I get it.
[00:00:24] Sé Reed: expose yourself on Twitter.
[00:00:26] Steve Zehngut: I’m Steve Zehngut. I’m the founder of Zeek interactive and I run the OC WordPress meet-up. Sometimes
[00:00:31] Sé Reed: Occasionally, I’m Sé Reed I make WordPress repress, repress, say media on all the things mostly on Twitter. Love that Twitter.
[00:00:39] Jason Cosper: On the hood. Is this your boy? Jason Cosper, AK fat Mullenweg. Back at it again on the world’s most influential WordPress podcast.
[00:00:46] Sé Reed: here.
[00:00:47] Jason Tucker: Speaking
[00:00:47] Steve Zehngut: on Friday.
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[00:00:58] Steve Zehngut: Hi, we got
[00:00:59] Jason Tucker: Hello,
[00:01:00] Steve Zehngut: there’s pees on the show.
[00:01:01] Jason Tucker: do. We
[00:01:02] Sé Reed: like a whole
[00:01:03] Jason Tucker: never had a full house
[00:01:04] Steve Zehngut: Oh,
[00:01:04] Jason Tucker: interface. How are all you folks doing
[00:01:09] can I talk, can I introduce our topic?
[00:01:11] Steve Zehngut: please.
[00:01:12] Jason Tucker: You can.
[00:01:12] Sé Reed: This topic is a result of me having childcare and being able to lurk in all of the, make slack channels. much to my joy and much to the chagrin of literally everyone. except for in this instance where I, saw some cross chatter between the photos team and the marketing team and discovered that, the photos team, which is four people, three of which we have the other of which is,in a different time zone or traveling.
[00:01:44] Sé Reed: But anyway,these, this is the team. So this is the make photos team,
[00:01:47] Steve Zehngut: Right.
[00:01:48] Sé Reed: Hi, Mel, can you introduce yourself, Katie? And go first. You’re right here.
[00:01:53] Katie Richards: Sure. my name is Katie Richards. I, am one of the team reps for the WordPress photo directory. My most of the time on the internet, I am, managing community stuff over at Pantheon, but, enjoy the WordPress part of it too.
[00:02:08] Sé Reed: Wait, there’s Pantheon community. That’s not WordPress.
[00:02:11] Pantheon has always existed in two different open source projects. started in, Droople moved over to WordPress. about eight years ago.
[00:02:18] Steve Zehngut: She said the D word
[00:02:20] Katie Richards: I did,
[00:02:21] Jason Tucker: She’s out. Sorry.
[00:02:24] Marcus Burnette: Oh, ouch.
[00:02:27] Sé Reed: that’s never happened before.
[00:02:29] Steve Zehngut: That was.
[00:02:32] Sé Reed: It’s and you can’t do that on television. Does everyone remember that? Ray would say, I don’t know. And then you get like Green’s lime.
[00:02:37] Topher DeRosia: I do.
[00:02:38] Sé Reed: Okay.
[00:02:39] Jason Tucker: Shuffle the deck real quick.
[00:02:41] Sé Reed: Yeah. Anyway, so we’re you do manage, you manage
[00:02:45] Sé Reed: source, multiple open source community most of what I think about is relationship building with other people. So either in the WordPress project, through the photo directory, or I manage in my day to day job, customer advocacy program.
[00:03:00] Sé Reed: Ooh, like user advocacy specifically, or customers. Sorry, I won’t get too sidetracked.
[00:03:07] Katie Richards: it’s really our most,our longest term, most dedicated, most excited customers at Pantheon who. are the people who are talking about pan at community events or using us for demos at, different presentations or,
[00:03:20] Sé Reed: Like an influencer
[00:03:21] Katie Richards: yeah, it’s an influencer team, but built on kinda longer term relationships unless on ti for TA money exchanging
[00:03:29] Sé Reed: Oh, that’s so meaningful and deep.
[00:03:32] Sé Reed: We don’t really have
[00:03:33] Katie Richards: it’s been really enjoyable. It’s been three years and I have no intention of, ever leaving. So that’s pretty good.
[00:03:39] Sé Reed: Ah, over on the existential threat to WordPress side is Marcus
[00:03:46] Marcus Burnette: Somehow ended up in the middle square here.
[00:03:50] Steve Zehngut: it’s. We all, we’re all. We’re all, He’s if you watch the Brady, if you watch the Brady bunch that’s Alice’s square.
[00:03:57] Marcus Burnette: Feels like an intervention now? yeah. I’m Marcus. I’ll yeah, I’ll go ahead and introduce myself. I’m Marcus. I am on the GoDaddy pro team, with folks, some of you might know Adam Warner, Courtney Robertson, Sandy Edwards, and some others. And, yeah, just mostly go into events. It’s field marketing stuff.
[00:04:18] Marcus Burnette: So hosting our own virtual events every week and going to things like word camps and all that, and getting to talk to this lovely word, WordPress C.
[00:04:28] Sé Reed: that’s us.
[00:04:29] Marcus Burnette: That’s you
[00:04:30] Sé Reed: The community,
[00:04:31] I think you should have said present company excluded
[00:04:34] Marcus Burnette: Yeah,
[00:04:35] Sé Reed: it might be us or not. And then to, for friend of the show,
[00:04:39] Sé Reed: Hello? Hello. I’m Tover that’s all you need to know.
[00:04:43] Topher DeRosia: that’s all you need to know. I work for, hdc.dev. It’s an agency and we have several properties. We have master WP and WP wallet, and, I also work on hero, press.com. I wanted to clarify something about the photos team. the photos team is everyone who has submitted a photo.
[00:05:02] Topher DeRosia: We are just the representatives and have the task of keeping notes at meetings and things like that.
[00:05:08] Sé Reed: Okay. Okay. If I was wearing my glasses, I would pull them down and look over at you at the eye. My eyes are we diluting the meaning of the word team? Not that I wanna get into what a contribute. Oh, thank you, Steve.
[00:05:20] you’re welcome.
[00:05:22] Topher DeRosia: it’s a human emoji. Steve is, Yeah. we
[00:05:26] Sé Reed: is actually interesting.
[00:05:27] not to seize upon it, but does tie in nicely to the ongoing conversation happening in the community right now about, what does it mean to contribute? I would say that you could be a contributor without being a team member.
[00:05:42] Topher DeRosia: I’m not sure because when you post a photo, you automatically get the badge.
[00:05:46] Sé Reed: Oh, you do.
[00:05:47] Steve Zehngut: Yeah. And so if you have tell us about the badge
[00:05:51] Sé Reed: tell about the badge.
[00:05:52] Steve Zehngut: the badge.
[00:05:53] Topher DeRosia: if you take part in any of the WordPress contributor teams, you get a little badge on wordpress.org in your profile.
[00:06:00] Steve Zehngut: Wow.
[00:06:01] Topher DeRosia: So I ha I’ve submitted a plugin to, to.org. So I have the plugin one, I’ve spoken at a word camp, so I have the speaker one.
[00:06:09] I have translated WordPress into multiple languages. And so I have the polyglots badge.
[00:06:15] Sé Reed: what languages do you speak? Tover
[00:06:16] I was making documentation for polyglots and so that meant I actually had to do it like for the video. And so I have translated into Canadian, British and Austral.
[00:06:28] Steve Zehngut: Canadian
[00:06:30] Marcus Burnette: That’s where you just add a, to a bunch of
[00:06:33] Sé Reed: Okay. I gotta get on that. I’m gonna go change my, add some. And my
[00:06:37] Topher DeRosia: it’s right.
[00:06:38] Steve Zehngut: a second.
[00:06:39] Topher DeRosia: And it, it sounds funny, but
[00:06:41] Steve Zehngut: No, I get it
[00:06:41] Topher DeRosia: it’s automated, anybody who’s made a change gets the badge and,
[00:06:47] Sé Reed: is, this is how my brother, so my brother’s like a long older than me. He’s a techie, right? Steve he’s like Steve and, like we’re on dual
[00:06:54] Steve Zehngut: he’s older than you.
[00:06:55] Sé Reed: on do lingo and we are, we’re about the same. we’re learning Ukrainian, our family’s Ukrainian. And, he just he knows how to maximize all the points.
[00:07:04] Sé Reed: So he like just gets his points is like double what mine is, even though we’re playing at about the same rate or whatever. And that sounds like someone just needs to go around getting all the badges just by doing changing a Z to an S like, why are we not doing this? I want all the badges now
[00:07:20] Steve Zehngut: By the way I just looked, I have four bands. I didn’t even know
[00:07:23] Katie Richards: Surprise.
[00:07:23] Topher DeRosia: And what do you have,
[00:07:25] Steve Zehngut: Yeah.
[00:07:26] Sé Reed: You’re so bad. Oh, anyway, all well. so you’re not the team. You’re the team reps team leads
[00:07:32] Steve Zehngut: Moderator.
[00:07:32] Topher DeRosia: representatives there aren’t leads per se?
[00:07:36] I’m assuming there is moderation going on. when you have people submitting images to a public directory.
[00:07:41] Topher DeRosia: Yes.
[00:07:42] Sé Reed: not
[00:07:42] Topher DeRosia: we don’t end up with photo exposure.
[00:07:44] Steve Zehngut: Yes.
[00:07:45] Sé Reed: of exposing you’re not the, the moderators.
[00:07:49] Marcus Burnette: We are some of
[00:07:50] Katie Richards: we are.
[00:07:50] Topher DeRosia: are some of the moderators,
[00:07:52] Jason Tucker: I see your one badge
[00:07:53] Sé Reed: You’re not just, you’re not just team reps. You’re also
[00:07:56] Steve Zehngut: Can us, some of the photos that didn’t make it.
[00:07:59] Katie Richards: Oh, man,
[00:08:00] Katie Richards: we can’t.
[00:08:01] Topher DeRosia: intensely boring. I personally,
[00:08:04] Sé Reed: to those?
[00:08:05] Topher DeRosia: I, they just get stored as a draft or something. the actual photos get deleted, so there’s no, file storage problems. But. Personally, I’ve never seen a problematic photo.
[00:08:16] Sé Reed: So
[00:08:16] that’s not a challenge,
[00:08:18] Katie Richards: No, it’s not a.
[00:08:19] Marcus Burnette: please. Don’t do that.
[00:08:21] Topher DeRosia: we reject for quality for people’s faces, privacy issues.
[00:08:25] Sé Reed: Yeah, there’s no right in the photo directory. wait, hold on. Hold on. I think we need to back up here because we got so excited. I got so excited about Topfers description that we did not explain what the WP photo directory
[00:08:40] Steve Zehngut: Oh, that’s a good start.
[00:08:42] Topher DeRosia: Yeah, we already started, but we can take a little side tangent to give some details.
[00:08:46] who wants one of y’all? Can you, just give us a little synopsis of what it actually is that we’re talking about here that you manage and moderate for?
[00:08:54] I have a prepared speech or one of you could take it. whichever you.
[00:08:58] Marcus Burnette: Go for.
[00:09:00] Topher DeRosia: So recently the WordPress foundation acquired, something that became the open verse, which is a tool that allows you to search for, creative
[00:09:10] Sé Reed: Flowers, it looks like flowers to me. just
[00:09:14] in the top, right there. Can you click on open verse in the menu? open verse allows you to search for creative, common images
[00:09:22] Sé Reed: I would be remiss if I did not comment on the different design that is happening here than the other page, while that
[00:09:28] Topher DeRosia: this will search, flicker it’ll search, all government websites, us government websites, every photo ever published by NASA is in the creative commons.
[00:09:37] Steve Zehngut: I that’s exactly what I was getting first for.
[00:09:39] Katie Richards: cool.
[00:09:39] Topher DeRosia: Yeah. so this search is multiple websites
[00:09:42] Topher DeRosia: All right. else we wanted to do.
[00:09:43] Sé Reed: Back it up back. I actually asked this question of our little, core, our core team reps here. WPwatercooler please explain to me the difference between photos of which we just saw and what the kind of OG thing, and then open verse. What other than where it’s getting its images, like, why is it a different.
[00:10:04] open versus just a search engine. The photos. Repository is a place for the WordPress community to contribute to that.
[00:10:13] Steve Zehngut: Nice.
[00:10:14] Topher DeRosia: So rather than posting ’em on flicker and hashtagging them WordPress or something, we just put ’em on here.
[00:10:20] Sé Reed: Okay. So when you’re searching the open verse, you, the images that you’re searching might be stored in the photo directory, or might be stored else.
[00:10:30] Topher DeRosia: at NASA. Yeah.
[00:10:32] Sé Reed: you would then, click over and get that photo or whatnot from NASA, not from,
[00:10:37] Topher DeRosia: Correct.
[00:10:38] Sé Reed: that’s interesting. And how, what’s the back, like if that pictures removed,
[00:10:46] Sé Reed: happens? Does it, it just removed outta the database or how does that
[00:10:49] Topher DeRosia: yeah, I don’t know how open verse handles that.
[00:10:51] Sé Reed: Oh, that’s actually a different team at WordPress.
[00:10:55] Sé Reed: Open verse is the different team. Who’s building the first engine.
[00:10:58] Topher DeRosia: Yep.
[00:10:59] Sé Reed: Oh, this is so fascinating. I, this is, I really felt like there was a big difference. Like I, I could tell that there was like a differentiation, but I was really unclear on what that, that differentiation was. so then the photos component and then WP photos directory, does that have a, it has, it is also a gallery, right?
[00:11:19] Sé Reed: You, that is host. On wp.org. And those are something you can go, browse around in there
[00:11:27] Topher DeRosia: Yeah, and you can sort them by a tag. if you click into any picture, it’ll show you at the top who took it and you click that name and see all of that person’s photos.
[00:11:35] Steve Zehngut: Nice.
[00:11:37] Topher DeRosia: and then something I think is super cool right now it’s only in jet pack, but if you have jet pack installed, when you go to the media library, you can also search the WordPress photos, gallery and click to include them in your post,
[00:11:48] Sé Reed: But not yet the open verse.
[00:11:50] Steve Zehngut: Jason, go to the link. I just put in the chat.
[00:11:53] Topher DeRosia: it can also do open verse, but it separates them out because we want to, WordPress wants to give a little precedence to our own.
[00:12:01] Sé Reed: But the open verse is a, wordpress.org or foundation property now, or is that
[00:12:07] Topher DeRosia: It is
[00:12:08] Topher DeRosia: it was gifted. Yeah, no, they were gonna shut it down. I don’t know if they paid for it. I don’t wanna speak on a line here. They acquired it somehow. I don’t know if it was given or they bought it or whatever. The people who were running, it were done and wanted to walk away.
[00:12:20] Real quick. Right now we’re looking at, on screen, a bunch of photos that were submitted by Jennifer born.
[00:12:25] I moderated the cactus there just 10 minutes ago.
[00:12:28] Steve Zehngut: Nice.
[00:12:29] Topher DeRosia: That
[00:12:29] Sé Reed: To moderated the practice. so yeah, then you can search all this. so let’s talk a little bit about the challenge. Can you, is
[00:12:35] Topher DeRosia: yes. Let me interrupt for just a sec, cuz this is timely. can you go back to the cactus on screen? so the challenge, yes. go down and click on the world photography day tag there and say, keep going with what you’re saying.
[00:12:54] today, August 19th, 2022 is a world photography day, which BT dubs. When I booked y’all for, to be on the show today, did not know it was the actual day. So I just, it’s just, it’s amazing. So happy world photography day, everybody. and then as a celebration or in a tie-in with world photography day, y’all have launched a challenge.
[00:13:20] Sé Reed: Yes.
[00:13:21] Topher DeRosia: Yes.
[00:13:22] Sé Reed: tell us about it. I love a challenge and it is not to offend the moderators. That’s not the challenge.
[00:13:29] Marcus Burnette: not that.
[00:13:31] Sé Reed: Steve.
[00:13:32] Steve Zehngut: Yeah, I won’t be contributing.
[00:13:35] Sé Reed: are really gorgeous. what is happening? I want to be there. I’m like getting distracted cuz I’m like, can I just, can you click that one? Can I be there in that lake right now? That would be nice.
[00:13:45] Steve Zehngut: I don’t think that’s how the medical works yet.
[00:13:48] Jason Tucker: Is it the metaverse can I just jump in or is the open verse? Not the metaverse. I clicked it.
[00:13:53] Jason Cosper: whenever the, the screensaver comes up on our TV, I know this is like completely unrelated, but, effectively my wife and I play a game where we ask each other. Would you live there and, or do you want to be there right now?
[00:14:06] Sé Reed: So when you sit and stare at the screensaver on your couch,
[00:14:10] Jason Cosper: yeah.
[00:14:11] Sé Reed: that’s like the lowest energy inter engagement game ever.
[00:14:15] Jason Cosper: Yeah, it’s a fun game though.
[00:14:17] Steve Zehngut: That is.
[00:14:18] Sé Reed: I can imagine a lot of tangents from that game. Like for example, I can tell you that I would live in the one with the lake, but I probably wouldn’t live in the one with the wheat look and.
[00:14:28] Sé Reed: It looks
[00:14:28] Jason Tucker: So how does this all work? Like how do you take a photo, you edit it and then you upload it. And then what happens on the backend for you guys?
[00:14:37] I’ve been dominating the talk. Anybody else wanna go or do you want me to do it?
[00:14:41] Topher DeRosia: I can talk about that. All right.
[00:14:43] Sé Reed: Talk.
[00:14:44] Katie Richards: so when a photo submitted to the directory, it ends up in the moderation queue. there’s some fun AI stuff that kind of guesses at, tagging and colors involved and, scans for anything that it feels could be, like legally should not be posted, to the directory.
[00:15:04] Sé Reed: real quick can I tangent on what do you know anything about that AI is obviously it’s gonna be an open source AI, right?
[00:15:11] Topher DeRosia: it’s Google.
[00:15:12] Steve Zehngut: yeah, I was gonna say it’s Google deep stack. Google. Oh yeah. Google deep stack. I’ll do that for you as well.
[00:15:18] and then we, and the moderators evaluate the photo based on the submission criteria. is the, does this have anything that. We have restricted on the platform. So no, no personal identification like, license plates or house numbers. No faces. photo quality is good enough. there’s no like selective focus.
[00:15:40] Katie Richards: Good, completely blurry. It’s not com edited beyond recognition. and then we hit publish.
[00:15:47] Sé Reed: So you’re pro bouquet, but not too much. Bouquet is what I’m hearing.
[00:15:51] Sé Reed: we gotta tell you gotta be able to tell that there is an intentional focus in that photo. Is an intentional bouquet or unintentional blurry. This is, so you’re judging art is basically what you’re
[00:16:01] Katie Richards: Yeah. That,
[00:16:02] Topher DeRosia: Yes, absolutely.
[00:16:05] Sé Reed: you’re like not art, but okay. This actually, isn’t an art gallery. This is a photo gallery. So these are real actual photos, right? So not, composite, not. Not Photoshop in theory. But are you, is there any, how do you test for that? Like in general, is there oh, is there any safeguard in place for seeing if those are generated or doctored
[00:16:30] Topher DeRosia: Oh, yeah. Marcus, what’s that tool you found tin? I.
[00:16:35] Katie Richards: Yeah.
[00:16:36] Marcus Burnette: 10. I is, 10 i.com I think anyways, it allows you to drag in a photo, and check it against other sources across the web,
[00:16:44] Sé Reed: Ooh.
[00:16:44] to see if it’s somewhere else. there’s some level of subjectivity, that the moderators have to deal with. if there’s like a polar bear in the desert, I think it’s pretty obvious that’s. a doctorate photo and that’s gonna not pass, even if
[00:16:58] Sé Reed: So it doesn’t pass or I have desire to make that photo now, like wow.
[00:17:02] Jason Tucker: a good Antica fishing, tool for people that are looking to see if someone is legit or not, or
[00:17:07] Sé Reed: More political drama.
[00:17:09] Jason Tucker: like that,
[00:17:09] Steve Zehngut: I was gonna say, yeah, I was gonna say, you’re not, I’m assuming you’re not allowing photos like celebrities or people
[00:17:15] Sé Reed: No faces right?
[00:17:16] No face.
[00:17:16] Marcus Burnette: No FA no human faces, celebrity or otherwise at the moment.
[00:17:20] Topher DeRosia: but say to your point, as far as what content is. I’ve taken thinking about what web designers or print designers want. I’ve submitted a number of photos that are just a pattern of brick or,
[00:17:35] Sé Reed: I love patterns. Not those kind of
[00:17:37] Topher DeRosia: on a water or, something that you would look at and think, why did you take a picture of that?
[00:17:43] Topher DeRosia: I don’t care somewhere, some artists are gonna go, oh, that’s perfect for my brochure or something.
[00:17:50] Katie Richards: Yeah.
[00:17:50] Sé Reed: So do you think that the, oh,
[00:17:52] Katie Richards: I said, they’ll super impose some text over it. And there you go. There’s your artistic statement for your blog? Post press release. What have you?
[00:18:01] so this is all immediately creative commons, right? The license.
[00:18:05] Topher DeRosia: Yeah.
[00:18:05] Sé Reed: Like full blown, all the creative comments. Does it have the,what license is it is the one where you have to cite back. I don’t, I’m not, I don’t know the, no, you can just take it and
[00:18:16] Topher DeRosia: Yeah, CC zero has zero restrictions whatsoever.
[00:18:19] Sé Reed: whoa, dudes. So you’re just like take it, no rights preserved, nothing just free and common for the people.
[00:18:28] Jason Cosper: Yeah,
[00:18:28] Sé Reed: It’s like a scrap. It’s like a scrap.
[00:18:31] Jason Cosper: I selflessly gave a photograph of my dog, one of my dogs to, to creative comments, just in case somebody’s looking for a small Chihuahua to, to put on their, on their site as a header image or whatever, have fun. Cause honestly to me putting that out there, I was like, okay, so no face.
[00:18:52] I guess dog faces are okay. and yeah, it got in,and now, because it’s just out there and I wanted to share it and it looked good enough to get included in the photos directory. yeah, like now my, my, my cute little dog is gonna be on, who knows how many different sites or whatever,
[00:19:14] Topher DeRosia: be on a Donald Trump billboard.
[00:19:16] Sé Reed: groomers,
[00:19:17] Marcus Burnette: my new profile photo.
[00:19:18] animal shelters. no, they have dog pictures, animal. What are those doctors? Veterinarians. There we go.
[00:19:23] Katie Richards: Yeah, animal doctor.
[00:19:28] Marcus Burnette: Animal doctor works. We knew what you meant.
[00:19:30] Topher DeRosia: Related to what I just mentioned. One of the, one of the potential drawbacks to CC zero, is that somebody you don’t like could take your picture and use it in a way you don’t like,
[00:19:41] Steve Zehngut: Yeah,
[00:19:42] Sé Reed: Tell your enemies, Cosper. They’re gonna take your dog photo and draw a mustache on it.
[00:19:47] Topher DeRosia: it’s the
[00:19:47] Jason Cosper: Oh, no.
[00:19:48] what do you do if a terrorist organization uses WordPress?
[00:19:53] just strip out all the exit data first before you,
[00:19:55] Sé Reed: like your
[00:19:56] Steve Zehngut: you upload.
[00:19:56] Sé Reed: represent like the face of I don’t know, like Bitcoin and then what. What are gonna do? It’s like you’re,
[00:20:05] Jason Cosper: that is. A very good. I think Tucker about
[00:20:09] Jason Tucker: Yep. Yep.
[00:20:10] what did do y’all do about, the data that gets uploaded along with, these images?
[00:20:20] Topher DeRosia: I don’t know specifically what happens. I know
[00:20:23] Sé Reed: just stuff.
[00:20:25] Topher DeRosia: cuz you can see some of it. If you look at,there’s mainly it’s like location data or, something like that. it’s who cares if it was taken on an iPhone or on a.
[00:20:36] Steve Zehngut: these, some of these photos that you’re showing weren’t taken on iPhone, this is like a camera with an actual F
[00:20:40] Sé Reed: Yeah, someone cares about that.
[00:20:41] Steve Zehngut: right? I’m not a photographer, but.
[00:20:43] Jason Tucker: Because that was a flicker thing. Flicker was really big on what cameras people were using and people were even using that camera information to determine like what cam cameras were the most popular on flicker because they were using, a very specific,camera or lens or something like that.
[00:21:00] yeah, I’m, I’d be very curious about that. And that might even be something that needs to be added into. your FAQ or what have you, talking about that and maybe,how that’s going to be processed.
[00:21:12] Sé Reed: out.
[00:21:13] Topher DeRosia: I can
[00:21:13] okay. So assuming all your ex data, which I can
[00:21:17] Steve Zehngut: Data.
[00:21:18] Sé Reed: yeah. That, it gets stripped out and you, are okay with everybody. you’ve got this photo that it’s like, nothing’s happening with it, just sitting on your hard drive and you upload it. And I know you can only upload five at a time, right?
[00:21:29] In your moderation queue,
[00:21:31] Katie Richards: currently.
[00:21:32] Sé Reed: right? Yeah. And, so tell us a little bit about, this is a great opportunity to do that. Not just to get your badge or participate, but y’all are, I wanna talk you to talk about your challenge that you’re doing for the next it started yesterday, right?
[00:21:48] Sé Reed: Yeah. and it’s not just ours. It’s, it’s a global thing. Oh,
[00:21:53] Topher DeRosia: we’re, jumping on the bandwagon as it were.
[00:21:56] Sé Reed: it’s a smart thing to do. We need bandwagons to jump onto, but what is the bandwagon do? Tell
[00:22:04] Topher DeRosia: Somebody other than me.
[00:22:05] Sé Reed: Marcus, tell us about the bandwagon.
[00:22:07] Marcus Burnette: Sure. so we mostly, Reyes, I’m not sure if she’s social team. I think marketing reached out and said, Hey, can we do something together where we can, jump on the bandwagon, promote the photo directory, boost the library and also get some just. Involvement and contribution from all corners of the globe.
[00:22:27] the directory is global, but us heavy in terms of photography. And so we wanted to reach out to the rest of the world and say, Hey, we wanna see where you’re joining us from. And World photography day seemed like a good time for that. So created a challenge to, to ask folks to, to come contribute folks, their contribute photos from their local areas.
[00:22:47] any land doesn’t have to be a landmark, but landmarks or, just city escapes. Nature stuff, anything that’s representing where folks are in the world and, contribute those, make sure you let us know where they’re, where the location is as far as like city goes, or country, and then tag those with, world photography day 22,tofa was saying they’re gonna get the tag added to them so we can have a nice large gallery of all the photos that are contributed during the challenge.
[00:23:14] Sé Reed: And, sorry,
[00:23:15] Topher DeRosia: Twitter for just hashtag world photography day, you can see a ton of stuff. That’s not related to what we’re doing.
[00:23:21] so today’s world photography day and that’s a bigger thing, but is the longer challenge that y’all came up with also a global thing? Or is that just your kind of extended version of it?
[00:23:32] we’re not, I don’t think we’re, we are connected to any, other sort of photography day challenge. this is something that we worked out with rays Martinez of the marketing team.
[00:23:44] Steve Zehngut: Since we only have a couple minutes left. Can I make a small UI suggestion for the next phase of the photos? Gallery?
[00:23:51] this is a part of the show where we make work for everybody that
[00:23:54] Topher DeRosia: you may, but I want to point out that at the top of the thing, you, there’s a track link to track and you can.
[00:24:00] Katie Richards: Get that badge.
[00:24:02] Topher DeRosia: If I can submit it, I’ll make it. But Jason, click on a photo you’re in this view, there should be like a next photo, previous photo Yeah, that’s on the list.
[00:24:12] Steve Zehngut: Okay.
[00:24:14] so in order to submit your photo and participate in the challenge you’re, either are, is it just posting on social media and tagging, or is it submitting
[00:24:23] Topher DeRosia: You have to submit it, social media
[00:24:25] Topher DeRosia: there? you
[00:24:26] Steve Zehngut: Yeah, Jason, go to the submit button.
[00:24:28] Topher DeRosia: Yeah.
[00:24:30] Steve Zehngut: We’re just, this show is like half explaining what the photos gallery is and half just telling Jason what to do.
[00:24:38] Marcus Burnette: I,
[00:24:38] you gotta be, have a wordpress.org account and then you
[00:24:41] Topher DeRosia: yes.
[00:24:42] Marcus Burnette: Yup.
[00:24:43] Topher DeRosia: And, the form is very simple. You upload the image, you give it a title. You agree to
[00:24:49] Steve Zehngut: You agree that 12 different check boxes
[00:24:53] Topher DeRosia: Yeah. and then go,we’re working on increasing the number. You can upload it once for people who have uploaded over a certain number so that they are more likely to know the rules.
[00:25:05] Topher DeRosia: So like new people would still be five, but if you have submitted 20 or 50 or something, I don’t know where we’re gonna go,
[00:25:11] Topher DeRosia: you could upload.
[00:25:13] Steve Zehngut: the description. Am I actually like putting in a sentence or I’m putting tags or do you got, do you tag it?
[00:25:19] Sé Reed: AI tags.
[00:25:20] Steve Zehngut: tags.
[00:25:21] Katie Richards: little bit of both.
[00:25:21] Topher DeRosia: yeah, we use,
[00:25:22] a little bit.
[00:25:23] Sé Reed: yeah, we have a tag, like official WordPress tags, but the, as far as the description goes, I rarely touch it. Oh, that is a lot of buttons. Woo
[00:25:35] Steve Zehngut: yeah.
[00:25:36] Sé Reed: That is a lot of check boxes. Now I
[00:25:38] Sé Reed: know why you said
[00:25:39] Jason Tucker: second born. Okay. All right. Cool.
[00:25:42] Topher DeRosia: Yeah.
[00:25:42] Steve Zehngut: This is like the waiver. You sign it in an amusement park.
[00:25:45] it is not digital art. That’s what I was really trying to differentiate there. This is like literally photography, the purest form, even
[00:25:53] Topher DeRosia: Yep.
[00:25:54] Topher DeRosia: that’s amazing. And there’s some other stuff here. there’s no text or not mostly text. Not something just like you submitted last time.
[00:26:03] Katie Richards: Oh, the other one was,
[00:26:04] Topher DeRosia: no overlays.
[00:26:05] Katie Richards: no photos of somebody’s 2d artwork. so we don’t want
[00:26:11] Sé Reed: like copyright on a copyright.
[00:26:13] Topher DeRosia: Yeah.
[00:26:14] Sé Reed: Yeah. what I’m still a little bit curious about the moderation, cuz there’s only, four of you on the team reps, and then there’s, everyone in the world who’s ever participated, but who’s what, obviously it’s not a paid moderation team, like some of the bigger things and that I’m assuming it’s not a huge influx of photos all the time, but about how many photos do y’all get right now.
[00:26:36] Sé Reed: And then who is, who else is doing the moderating and is. What’s that process like?
[00:26:42] Topher DeRosia: Yeah, we have several other moderators with three or four. the main thing keeping us from getting more is, we had to jump through some surprising things with legal,if you say somebody uploads something really awful. And as a moderator, you see it. There are some places where there are laws about moderators seeing that stuff and other places where there aren’t.
[00:27:10] Topher DeRosia: And so we have to think about if you’re from country X, we can’t just give you cart launch because we don’t have a thing to. Something awful from jumping in front of your face. there’s a whole bunch of funny little things like that, and we’re almost done figuring that out and then we’re gonna have some training and open it up and get a bunch more moderators.
[00:27:29] Katie Richards: we were, when we started this process, there is no precedent in the WordPress project, in any other team for this kind of community. Risk moderation. so we really started at ground zero with, some documentation from other community teams on how they. Interact with community moderation in general.
[00:27:50] Katie Richards: And then we have been working with Angela J about, on adapting it to what makes sense for the WordPress project in this specific instance. So a lot of back and forth, a lot of editing, a lot of legal work to get, in the right spot to protect everybody who needs to be protected from God knows what on the internet
[00:28:11] Sé Reed: the internet,
[00:28:12] Jason Tucker: sounds like.
[00:28:13] Steve Zehngut: It gets from the internet.
[00:28:15] Sé Reed: Yeah. It’s from the internet. We,
[00:28:17] Jason Tucker: it sounds like we’re definitely good to have you folks come back. Once everything starts really getting, going here, and maybe you start having to deal with some of the problems that we’re talking about now and how you guys went about,solving it.
[00:28:28] Jason Tucker: So that’d be great. 30 minutes goes by very fast and we’re actually out of time.
[00:28:33] Katie Richards: so fast.
[00:28:35] thank you very much for hanging out with us today. We really appreciate it.
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