WPwatercooler

EP425 - WordPress Naming - Banana-fana fo-fordPress

July 29, 2022

Does WordPress have a naming problem? Is everything just going to be called JetPack in a few years? What about WordPress.com? Full Site Editor? Site Builder, Page Builder, Cosmic (we're pulling for you Paul), Page Builder, GutenPage?

We think WordPress has some naming issues we need to get addressed and the community is taking different sides to this issue. Here is ours.

There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things.

Phil Karlton

Giving FSE a More User Friendly Name https://make.wordpress.org/core/2022/07/27/giving-fse-a-more-user-friendly-name/

Now is the time for a photos-only app for WordPress-backed sites, I am just saying https://twitter.com/helenhousandi/status/1552807222769602560

Panel

Jason Tucker – jasontucker.blog
Sé Reed – sereedmedia.com
Jason Cosper – jasoncosper.com

Panel

Episode Transcription

[00:00:00] Sé Reed: 7 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

[00:00:07] Jason Tucker: This is episode number 425 of WPwatercooler WordPress naming banana Fanna Ford WordPress I'm Jason Tucker. You find me at Jason Tucker on Twitter.

[00:00:24] Sé Reed: My name. If you choose to accept it is say, read at, say re media on all the things

[00:00:32] Jason Cosper: WordPress board, press Bo bird, press banana. FHO press five, press

[00:00:37] Sé Reed: there. It,

[00:00:40] Jason Tucker: I go over to apple podcast, Google podcast, and Spotify to go leave us a review and listen.

[00:00:47] Sé Reed: to just, just realized we all should have done our names like that, but it's too hard.

[00:00:52] Jason Tucker: It's it's too much. It's too much. Yeah. Like I was telling Cosper, I was telling Cosper before the show that this is definitely going to be one of those SEO titles that someone's going to search for and will find this episode because of just how precisely named it is, you know, it is, is so precisely named that everyone will search for this on the Googles.

[00:01:15] Sé Reed: I have a, I have some, uh, quarrel with. For press versus WordPress because

[00:01:22] Sé Reed: the pronunciation

[00:01:22] Jason Cosper: third press.

[00:01:24] Jason Tucker: press. Yeah.

[00:01:25] Sé Reed: that's not the same, it doesn't rhyme. So generator, uh, doesn't take into consideration pronunciation.

[00:01:33] Jason Tucker: Right. So this episode of WPwatercooler, what we're gonna be talking about is kind of the, the naming in

[00:01:42] Sé Reed: people already.

[00:01:43] Jason Tucker: The naming in WordPress, like what is it that's going on with the names in WordPress?

[00:01:48] Sé Reed: Well, okay. Can I introduce this topic?

[00:01:50] Jason Tucker: please do

[00:01:51] Sé Reed: And I wanna segue, I, I feel like we were just about to segue, uh, JD. So we, we got you. Um, so you know, that, that the name game. Say say Bobba banana van FAFE Cosper pop in the show notes. Um, that's why the episode is named, uh, after that. Um, and, uh, Tucker just took the funnest part of it instead of the name game.

[00:02:15] Sé Reed: That's fine. Uh, but the reason we are talking about the name game is because, uh, I think sometime this week, Time is a loose concept for me sometimes. Uh, but sometimes in the, in the past bit, a lot's gone on, on make WordPress this week, including I would be remiss to not mention that they are redesigning the homepage and the, the download slash get WordPress page.

[00:02:42] Sé Reed: Um, and I think everyone should go and give their feedback because otherwise it's just gonna be some sponsored contributors working on it. And you can go look at those sponsored contributors and see, you know, who they're sponsored by or whatever. But anyway, community, we need you to go talk about what you want the homepage to look like anyway, uh, to that end, uh, Josepha also recently posted, um, A, uh, make post talking about the possibility or even the need to rename FSC, full site editing, full site editor, whatever you wanna call it.

[00:03:21] Sé Reed: Uh, well, I mean, that's exactly the question is like, what are we gonna call it? Do we, what, what do we call it? And, and so she wrote a post, uh, asking for feedback and there's a lot of feedback on the post. Um, I provided some feedback on the post. Uh, which I'm happy to get into. Uh, but then also we were talking about it as a crew and, uh, realized how much of naming, how much of WordPresses culture is, uh, troubled by a lot of naming issues.

[00:03:56] Sé Reed: There are a lot of naming issues in WordPress.

[00:03:59] Jason Tucker: Yeah.

[00:04:00] Sé Reed: We thought we'd talk about all those things, including full side editing. So let's just start there. did you guys, uh, check out the, um, the post I'll link it here,

[00:04:10] Jason Tucker: Yeah. Yeah. One of the, one of the interesting, the interesting parts that came outta that was at least that I noticed was the idea of having, um, having the functions in WordPress, like those actual function names, uh, Essentially, like you're stuck with those. Once you start using them and people start writing code against them, you have those sorts of things that start coming up.

[00:04:32] Jason Tucker: Um, and also the simple fact that, you know, um, I remember someone else I think Diego wrote in, there was the idea of like, you can't unring the bell. After you've after you hit you, you can't take push a genie back in the bottle. You know, it's like once people start using this, these terms and, and using them in the wild, how hard is it to get that stuff back in there?

[00:04:53] Jason Tucker: And how as hard is it to get people to stop using it?

[00:04:56] Sé Reed: Cause

[00:04:56] Jason Tucker: I remember back in the day of like Microsoft, Microsoft used to put the word

[00:05:00] Sé Reed: way back in the day

[00:05:02] Jason Tucker: they put windows on damn near everything. I mean, Xbox could have been called Xbox windows. If they, if, if, if they weren't in an entirely different, like department of, of work, you know,

[00:05:14] Sé Reed: or some good marketing people who are like, you know what, we're

[00:05:18] Jason Tucker: they put, they put windows on everything. Like that was the prefix. That was the suffix. They used it on all the things. Every product had to work windows in it.

[00:05:28] Sé Reed: Well, it definitely got some saturation.

[00:05:32] Jason Cosper: There, there was this, uh, tweet, uh, just, uh, just a few hours ago, uh, by, uh, Helen, a friend of the show, Helen ho Sandy. Uh, she said, um, she, they were talking about what, what exactly were, oh, um, effectively, like now that Instagram is having. Um, it's problems. Like it would be a great time to have like a, a photo

[00:05:57] Sé Reed: Talk about that part. Just kidding. It's on the,

[00:06:01] Jason Cosper: Yeah. Um, so she, right, but she brought that up, uh, and someone responded with pick press and I love her response. This is actually into the naming thing gonna scream. If one more WP related thing has a press name.

[00:06:21] Jason Tucker: Totally agree.

[00:06:22] Jason Cosper: And it, it's not only coming from like the WordPress core team or automatic or anything else, it's people in the community seem to have this like shared toxo

[00:06:35] Sé Reed: Joy joy, joy.

[00:06:37] Jason Cosper: it it's a brain parasite that makes them add press to the end of, or beginning of everything.

[00:06:43] Jason Cosper: Like

[00:06:44] Sé Reed: we didn't drink the Kool-Aid though, but I love, I love pressing things. I think, you know, uh, even from remember the little press, this apple. Aw,

[00:06:53] Jason Cosper: Yeah.

[00:06:54] Jason Tucker: Yeah.

[00:06:55] Sé Reed: Aw. Memories. Um, but I, I think that, uh, I think that's actually interesting in terms of the, this greater conversation. I mean, cuz she was just saying that like, you know, whatever it is off the cuff, you know, don't press it.

[00:07:11] Sé Reed: But uh, What we're talking about here with Jos Joseph's, uh, post is really about the confusion of, um, you know, what is full site editing? What is the full site editor? What are all these parts? She doesn't actually get into that. And that was mostly my comment. And I've made a related comment, which I linked in my comments.

[00:07:32] Sé Reed: And that'll be in the show notes if you wanna go read it all. But, um, I think that it's not just about the name FSC. Uh, it's not just about full site editing or editor it's that we have, like I was saying at the beginning of the show, kind of this nomenclature problem, it really happened with Gutenberg Gutenberg made it really evident, but it, it existed before because I've been teaching about WordPress for a really long time.

[00:07:58] Sé Reed: And I've just had to make up official names for things, you know, like what do you call the screen that has lists all the pages. What is that page? Is it the page editor or the page editor is the actual editor where you are getting into the page. Right? So it's like, that thing never really has had a name.

[00:08:19] Sé Reed: That's like a proper name and in newer, uh, block stuff, there's add toggle block inserter and, you know, add block. There's no consistency within even just the actual names of the things. So I, I go more into. In my, in my comment. But I think that what we saw with Gutenberg was that once you start, like what you were saying, once you start calling something, it was a code name, right.

[00:08:46] Sé Reed: It wasn't supposed to, it was a code name for the plugin. It wasn't supposed to be the name of the thing. Or maybe no one thought about what it's name would be in the future, or maybe they did. Right. But now we call it block editor, which is much more generic, which I actually think is good. But everyone still calls it Gutenberg and it creates this, you know, real confusion on the be on behalf of the user.

[00:09:12] Sé Reed: Um, especially existing users, you know, and I don't know where, you know, what new users are even picking up on because. Even when I search online for like code solutions, there's like stuff for, you know, you really have to be clear with your search tool timeline, because you're getting stuff from like 2016 and you're like, well, that code has been, you know, totally made irrelevant.

[00:09:33] Sé Reed: So I don't know what people are gonna go look for Gutenberg or what they're gonna do. I don't know what new, fresh people, how fresh are you ever anymore? I Don.

[00:09:42] Jason Tucker: Right.

[00:09:43] Sé Reed: But anyway, so it exists beyond just full site editing. This is a big problem that we have. That was a long monologue.

[00:09:51] Jason Tucker: I mean, talking about SEO, um, you can't search for these things. If we don't come up with the name for it, for us to be able to search for it in order to be able to get the results that we want. You know, it's like if I wanted to learn about full site editing and I'm brand new to WordPress, I'm not gonna look for full site editing, cuz I'm assuming that I can edit the whole site.

[00:10:10] Jason Tucker: With the interface that is provided to me in some way, if it's gonna be in, you know, uh, being able to do it and cut the customizer or, uh,

[00:10:19] Sé Reed: exist anymore?

[00:10:22] Jason Tucker: you know, whatever it is that we end up naming one of these things,

[00:10:25] Sé Reed: What we're also not doing when we switch over is when, you know, speaking of SEO, when you change a page in, um, on a website, right? Or you do, you, you move something. The proper best practice is to do a 3 0 1 redirect in terms of SEO. Like this isn't here anymore.

[00:10:43] Sé Reed: Now we're using this and there's a lot of that in the codex. I actually find that quite a bit.

[00:10:48] Jason Tucker: Yeah,

[00:10:48] Sé Reed: This is over here instead. But, uh, I totally distracted myself thinking about the Kodak. That's great. Good.

[00:10:58] Jason Tucker: Well, it it's, it's finding the canonical. It's finding that canonical information, you know, whatever it is, that's going to be the thing that, that people should be looking for, that you end up at and you kind of make sure all of those redirects be it. Actual links are actual 3 0 1 redirects. Take you back to that page.

[00:11:14] Sé Reed: Right. Well also that if you're there, that the, the, the path to, like, we're not calling it the customizer anymore. Now you, you know, you go do this here and what you could do in the customizer, typography, you know, settings, whatever. Now you do that here. Like we're not providing the 3 0 1 redirect

[00:11:35] Jason Tucker: Right.

[00:11:36] Sé Reed: the switch from, uh, the, the, the regular editor. Classic editor, whatever this is, problem continuing problem. The switch from that to full site editing is dramatic. And I mean, that sounds extreme. It's not really dramatic, I

[00:11:57] Jason Tucker: Right.

[00:11:58] Sé Reed: it's in terms of the fact that there's just no more of that button. You know what I mean? Like that place is not there and it does not say, Hey, what you're looking for that was here is now over there.

[00:12:09] Sé Reed: You know, it doesn't it doesn. Lead you through that at all?

[00:12:13] Jason Tucker: But do we think

[00:12:14] Jason Tucker: that the

[00:12:14] Jason Cosper: just basically like, Hey, figure it.

[00:12:16] Jason Tucker: right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:19] Sé Reed: Splash, wait,

[00:12:21] Jason Tucker: but is the community looking for like, I mean, we're part of the community, but are we like looking for a fancy name to call this thing? Uh, are we looking for.

[00:12:30] Sé Reed: specifically.

[00:12:32] Jason Tucker: Yeah. Are we just, just, just, um, the new paradigm of WordPress, how you're gonna interact with WordPress, the entirely new way that you're going to start working with it going

[00:12:42] Sé Reed: You know, someone made a comment in, uh, on the, in reply to Joseph's post that WordPress is just WordPress and we who work with WordPress on a more intricate level. Think of all the different components in a really different way than people who just use it. They're just logging into WordPress and. Way that they use it is, you know, they'll, they'll call it what it is like.

[00:13:06] Sé Reed: This is the post editor. This is where I edit a post. This is a list of posts. This is a list. Go to the list of pages, go to the all pages page. Like this is what we call those things when we're using it. When I've been teaching for so long, you know, I call it the block. You could also say block inserter, but what we need to do is really like standardize that and define those things and say, this is what we're calling this.

[00:13:33] Sé Reed: And I have no problem just calling it for SEO purposes for clarity purposes. What I put in my, um, comment is that by naming it, just the editor, the site editor, the layout editor, the content editor, whatever, you know, terminology we choose to use. Naming it, something like that. That's really basic and clear, cuts out a layer of abstraction that makes it more difficult for the user to understand what they're doing.

[00:14:02] Sé Reed: Gutenberg doesn't explain anything to anyone about what it does. The block, the block editor. I mean the block editor sounds like you're editing blocks, not like you're editing content, so it's still a step away from what it is, but at least it's clear that you've got blocks. There's some editing happening, you know?

[00:14:22] Jason Tucker: Right. Yeah.

[00:14:24] Sé Reed: I think that we've, we've taken such a piecemeal approach to development just because this is the way open source and software development works and people have come in and come out and named things in certain places and name things in the code, which then translates and trickles over even before it, you know, released to the public.

[00:14:45] Sé Reed: So we've just really never take. WordPress world has never really taken a very comprehensive look at the names and tried, you know, I mean, there has been some standardization, obviously,

[00:14:59] Jason Tucker: Right.

[00:14:59] Sé Reed: a hat tip out to Courtney for what she does with learn.

[00:15:03] Jason Tucker: I think what's, I think one thing that we don't do that other places like I'll go back to either like Microsoft or apple is like, apple will call the thing, Maverick, you know, they'll call that version of it, whatever. But I don't think any of us have ever went and said like, oh yeah, do you remember Josephine? like, no, one's like ING, like the, the, that name.

[00:15:26] Sé Reed: Right. We remember Kubrick.

[00:15:28] Jason Tucker: We remember Kubrick, but like, we don't remember like the exact version name, but based off of the jazz player that did a thing for that. And that's what we're. So

[00:15:37] Sé Reed: Yeah, but yet that is the most consistent naming in all of WordPress, but we don't name it that, but we don't, we don't even call it that, but that's the most consistent

[00:15:47] Jason Tucker: That is the most consistent. So it just makes me think like, you know, if, if, if we, as the WordPress community don't even use those sorts of things and like, do we even need a fancy name for. The editor, you know, one, one person I saw in one of the posts that I was reading, I think they wanted to call it cosmic or Cosmo or something like that.

[00:16:10] Jason Tucker: And it was just like, and they did it more just for like, like planting a flag, like just in case if you

[00:16:15] Sé Reed: Oh, like meta,

[00:16:17] Jason Tucker: Yeah.

[00:16:17] Sé Reed: Meta's claimed Meta's thing. Yeah, it should just be called like, you know, like internet.

[00:16:23] Jason Tucker: Right, but I will tell you that doing a search for full site editor, full site editing any of those types of like variations of it on Google to try to find information about this. Um, is it it's, it's too generic of a term. So if you're okay with having too generic of a term, then that's fine. But if you want to go crazy and name it, you know, I don't know, jet pack for instance.

[00:16:47] Jason Tucker: Um, then, uh, you could.

[00:16:49] Sé Reed: we take the jet tangent. Cause I totally wanna take the jet back. Tangent. I wanna it's for my brain. Oh no. I had a whole point.

[00:16:59] Jason Tucker: Go for it.

[00:17:00] Sé Reed: jet tangent can't of anything

[00:17:04] Jason Tucker: Hey man. The, the, our, our show has always been, choose your own adventure. And sometimes we just forget what page we're supposed to go back to. If we wanted to roll back.

[00:17:11] Sé Reed: sometimes every day, every minute. Um,

[00:17:15] Jason Cosper: Oh, go, go

[00:17:16] Sé Reed: No, no, please. I'll try to remember what the hell I was thinking.

[00:17:19] Jason Cosper: Okay.

[00:17:20] Jason Tucker: Keep us on track Cosper.

[00:17:21] Jason Cosper: Really what this comes down to is, uh, I, I, I sort of feel, and especially as we've been having this conversation even more so than, than reading the, the make post is really, maybe we should just. The the classic, uh, you know, sayings say more by saying less, what is, what is the thing you're trying to accomplish?

[00:17:44] Jason Cosper: So say more by saying less, uh, it is, uh, the WordPress site editor or just the site editor in full site editing. That's like simplify, say more by saying less it's not Gutenberg or the block editor. It's the page editor. It's the post editor, even though it's the same fucking editor. It's still

[00:18:06] Sé Reed: I, I mean,

[00:18:06] Sé Reed: yeah, it's a different place on the, the, the geography of your in your interface. It, it, it is a different name because you have to tell people to go there. It's like mapping, you can't have the same. Oh, it's the block editor. Okay. But is it Anaheim or Irvine? Well, it's just, it's Disneyland,

[00:18:24] Sé Reed: you know, it's.

[00:18:25] Jason Cosper: or is it Anaheim Hills

[00:18:27] Sé Reed: Yeah, that's a better one. That's

[00:18:29] Jason Tucker: Hey, it could be, it could be, you know, , it could be the Los Angeles angels of Anaheim.

[00:18:34] Sé Reed: people that

[00:18:35] Jason Cosper: for those of you not in Southern California, Anaheim Hills is still Anaheim. It's just all the bogie assholes who live in Anaheim Hills. Call it Anaheim Hills.

[00:18:48] Sé Reed: So now we have a geography lesson in Southern California. Also there's fires there, not right now, but in general, I'm not wishing that on them. I'm just stating the fact. Okay. So here's my thought about full site editing specifically or full site, um, edit full site editor or whatever, is that in the new paradigm that we are.

[00:19:11] Sé Reed: Trying to enter, right? The Shopify square space, whatever they don't say you can edit your whole site. No, no, no kidding. You can edit your whole site. Like why wouldn't you be able to edit your whole site? So us saying full site editor doesn't make sense to someone who is just trying to make the thing work.

[00:19:29] Sé Reed: And in fact, I think our compartment is compartment compartmentalization of those things is, is. Because of developer, you know, the way that code has worked, you know, you're pulling something different. They are different things that are being, you know, pulled in, but that's not the way that the user experiences it or the person using WordPress, they experience it all as one thing.

[00:19:55] Sé Reed: So calling it a full site editor is, is both redundant and kind of, um, at, at this point I'm not. It needed to be distinguished from what our editor was before, but in the future, moving into that, it is just the editor, but the part where you edit your layout or you edit your structure, or, I mean, honestly, I think layout is really kind of the best term or design design editor, because that's what you're doing. And, and so when you're editing, you know, we could call it the content editor, but then that, you know, that's a second layer. The post. Page editor, the site editor or the layout editor. Like that's what people.

[00:20:40] Jason Tucker: of the, the full editor of

[00:20:42] Sé Reed: And, and the expectation there then is that those will all work somewhat the same, but they're different because they have different things there, but then you don't have to think about what you might do in the layout editor, right?

[00:20:53] Sé Reed: Like that's where you edit the layout. So, you know, it's, it's not like the layout and this. I think this is why we're all having, not we all, but there is such a struggle with the navigation menu block in general. And the header block is because I think developers think about the parts template, parts of a website really differently than users of a website.

[00:21:21] Sé Reed: It's just a, it's a whole and the parts thing. And we're trying to force the parts into the thing while also saying that we want it to. you know, the whole thing. So it that's, I know that's really kind of abstract, but I think what we need to do, and this is what I said in my comment is we really need to just look at all of it and, and name it, that stuff like name it, what it is.

[00:21:45] Sé Reed: And, you know, uh, I think the comment that Courtney was making there is that translation. That's also much more useful as well, because you can directly translate, you know, layout.

[00:21:58] Jason Tucker: Right.

[00:21:59] Sé Reed: That, that makes sense. Across everybody's board. You know,

[00:22:03] Jason Tucker: start saying FSE and no one knows what that is.

[00:22:06] Sé Reed: also it's really hard

[00:22:07] Jason Tucker: be a bad thing someplace

[00:22:09] Jason Cosper: Okay.

[00:22:10] Jason Tucker: could be some really bad things someplace, you know, there could be a,

[00:22:13] Sé Reed: could, I've never Googled.

[00:22:15] Jason Tucker: of space, something another that, you know,

[00:22:18] Jason Cosper: What, what is, what is the, the classic, uh, translation thing about how Coca-Cola means like bite the wax tab pole or something like that in an Asian country?

[00:22:28] Sé Reed: Something like that. There's a lot of those. And I think that, that, that is, um, I think that that really is such a great point. Thank you for bringing that up. Uh, Courtney, because it's not just about the audience of beginners users, devs, it's also, uh, demographics. It's also different languages. And I think WordPress has been incredible.

[00:22:56] Sé Reed: Beyond any other project out there, commercial open source, whatever in getting translated and getting, you know, translation functioning. Like I it's amazing. So

[00:23:09] Jason Cosper: there are hundreds of audiences for, for WordPress, but I see like two primary ones and that is, uh, the developers and the people who, who work on making WordPress. And then the end users, the people who just want to like, you know, put their thing out in the world who just want, they, they don't care.

[00:23:33] Jason Cosper: What this thing is called, they just want to be able to find it, use it, uh, and do the thing that they're looking to do. And if something is named. Some weird thing. That doesn't mean anything to them. I'm sorry. I think that, that, that coming up with the name Gutenberg was very clever. Uh, and we can, you know, pat people on the back for that, but like, okay.

[00:23:59] Jason Cosper: Gutenberg. Okay. All that's doing is confusing. The, the end users who are just like, what the hell is this Gutenberg thing? And why should I care about

[00:24:09] Sé Reed: And we also attached it to editor. Anyway, we said the Gutenberg editor, right? Like it's not even just like Gutenberg is the concept. We, we, we, we editor fight it. I know the, the end result of this,

[00:24:23] Jason Tucker: it to the rest of the world to use

[00:24:25] Jason Cosper: I do think it's, it's really kind of funny. And, uh, what, 15 plus years later, uh, that it's kind of like one last swipe at movable type. It's like we dominated movable type so much that now we're naming our new editor Gutenberg. Like

[00:24:45] Jason Tucker: What a dig. Right?

[00:24:47] Sé Reed: Oh, early two thousands. Dig 15 minutes of 15 years waiting for that. For that.

[00:24:54] Jason Cosper: yeah,

[00:24:55] Sé Reed: Got him? Uh, no, so, but I,

[00:24:58] Jason Cosper: I mean, look at, look at the other. Look at the other, I'm sorry. Say, but look, look at the other like internal, uh, projects that we've had that have kind of like reshaped WordPress, uh, when we had, uh, a new version of the interface that they were working on and, and cooking up and, and that plugin

[00:25:15] Sé Reed: Calypso.

[00:25:16] Jason Cosper: No MP six,

[00:25:19] Sé Reed: oh, oh

[00:25:20] Sé Reed: yeah.

[00:25:21] Jason Cosper: And nobody knew what the hell

[00:25:23] Sé Reed: Oh

[00:25:24] Jason Cosper: MP six was. It was, uh, something that Matt kind of had this like sly grin about. And he's like, I know what the name is. I'm never TA telling you guys what the name is. It's like, but it was so damn confusing to everybody who, yeah. Who, who basically was just like MP.

[00:25:45] Jason Cosper: Like what, what is MP six it's

[00:25:47] Sé Reed: So, I mean, even saying, like

[00:25:48] Jason Cosper: than MP3. I dunno.

[00:25:51] Sé Reed: even saying P two within the community is its own code word, because that is something that's really, um, automatic centric basically. And, um, but that's also merged in make, and that's really where the overlap of the automatic and the, um, the, the WordPress project. Overlap really, you can see it is in, is in that make thing.

[00:26:14] Sé Reed: And not just because there's a lot of internal reference to P twos instead of saying like the make blog or something like that, you

[00:26:20] Jason Cosper: It's a group blog. It's a group blog.

[00:26:23] Sé Reed: Yeah. , it's not complicated, but calling it a P two is that same kind of, you know, uh, two things on that one. I wanted to talk about how I think that the naming naming thing, we haven't talked about the big naming elephant in the room.com dot.

[00:26:39] Sé Reed: Which is just an underlying fundamental problem. We don't even have to touch it cuz we can just mention it and put it over there and look at it shiny over there. That shiny elephant. Um

[00:26:49] Jason Cosper: Plenty of, uh, of Inc and audio waves

[00:26:52] Sé Reed: yeah, I would just look at it. It's

[00:26:54] Jason Cosper: versus.org.

[00:26:55] Sé Reed: pat, the elephant on the head. Um, so there's that, but we have to celebrate and I, we should probably celebrate it again next week when uh, Steve is here, but I do believe that in fact.

[00:27:08] Sé Reed: Now that the WordPress mobile app is separating and the jet pack app is going to contain all of WordPress for wordpress.com. I believe it. And you can install the jet pack app on your phone. And from there, you can get a wordpress.com site. And I do believe that our prediction that jet WordPress would be inside of jet pack has technically come true.

[00:27:35] Sé Reed: Like that's a real thing. That happened. Uh, and I, I am so excited. I, I want us to talk at some point about the mobile app too, because I think separating those two things, jet pack unifying the, the mobile app UNT com it is a huge deal. Um, so I really, I want us to talk about that in future, but

[00:27:55] Jason Cosper: I mean, yeah, there've

[00:27:56] Sé Reed: jet pack and that whole naming world is a whole other naming problem.

[00:27:59] Jason Tucker: Right.

[00:28:00] Jason Cosper: been big things on the jet pack side. Not only now are they uncoupling it, but they, uh, managed to, to kind of de with their plugin with, uh, a few, like you can install like individual modules of the plugin without installing the core jet pack plugin

[00:28:18] Sé Reed: Oh, yay.

[00:28:20] Jason Cosper: that.

[00:28:20] Jason Cosper: So they're, they're really. Making some strides in like, I, I hate me a kitchen sink plugin, and,

[00:28:29] Sé Reed: They need that. I mean, it's, it's the necessity for.com. Like it, it provides the suite, you know, so it's, that's the thing about jet pack it's dot org as a bonus, kind of, you know, obviously it's more of a bonus cuz they get data and they, you know, subscriber funds and whatever,

[00:28:46] Jason Tucker: yeah. It's authentication layer that they needed is I think what really came down to it.

[00:28:51] Sé Reed: What

[00:28:52] Jason Cosper: a few years ago when George was still on the show that, uh, when they were talking about splitting, um, some of this stuff out into individual modules that they could, you know, develop the modules independently of the core jet pack thing. I believe one of us also made the prediction of, Hey, does that mean that they'll start offering.

[00:29:14] Jason Cosper: Individual things instead of one core jet pack plugin and George went, ah, I don't think that's gonna happen. And I, I don't mean to like, you know, just dunk on a, a friend and a friend of the show, but

[00:29:29] Sé Reed: No, this is more about us being right.

[00:29:32] Jason Cosper: yes, of course,

[00:29:34] Jason Tucker: So the one thing, the thing I was mentioning that you, you didn't catch. Yeah. the thing that I was saying that, that I, that you didn't catch was the, um, the authentication layer of jet pack using jet pack as the authentication layer to get into multiple WordPress websites. So once you, once you had that one site set up,

[00:29:54] Sé Reed: general.

[00:29:55] Jason Tucker: yeah.

[00:29:55] Jason Tucker: You could just pick whatever site you wanted. That was, that had access to those sites from that one jet pack login or wordpress.com login rather. Yeah. We'll have to let you talk about that.

[00:30:06] Sé Reed: there's a lot to say. So we're gonna talk about the mobile app in the future. Um, tell us your tweet, us your thoughts about that and tell us what you think about the name. More importantly, everyone. Go tell Josepha your thoughts about naming comment on my comment, comment on Nick Diego's comment, comment on any of the comments, because this is literally no matter how banal it seemed or trust me, do not like having to like, you know, write novels inside of, uh, blog comment.

[00:30:35] Sé Reed: It feels weird. Just always has. Uh, but this is the way that input is being used right now. And things are moving quickly. So go give your feed. We want your 2 cents. I want your 2 cents in there. If you listen to the show, it means you're relatively smart. That's what I'm saying. Just like in that range.

[00:30:53] Jason Tucker: All, all of our, all of our, uh,

[00:30:55] Sé Reed: like I said, relatively, like, you're not like super intellectual or you're not like Morton or whatever, but like, I love you all.

[00:31:04] Jason Tucker: All right. Here's our outro.

[00:31:05] Sé Reed: So. I can't hear you. So I'm gonna say we should subscribe. Listen on Google podcast, apple

[00:31:20] Jason Tucker: To Dave water.com/subscribe. Subscribe to this content. We'd appreciate it.

[00:31:24] Sé Reed: Check us out. Listen on Spotify.

[00:31:27] Jason Tucker: Talk to y'all later. Bye-bye

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