EP444 – WordPress and the Beginner’s Mind

Episode Transcription

Speakers:
Jason Tucker: 25.25%
Sé Reed: 38.06%
Jason Cosper: 36.69%
Jason Tucker:[00:00:00]
This is episode number 444 of WPwatercooler WordPress and the Beginner’s Mind.
Sé Reed:[00:00:09]
oh,
I’m Jason Tucker. You could find me over at Jason Tucker and some places in Jason Tucker dot.
Sé Reed:[00:00:17]
I’m Sé Reed and this changes every week. but I do still make WordPress, teach WordPress, preach, make, teach. Hi, bye.
Jason Cosper:[00:00:25]
And y’all know who it is. It’s your boy, Jason Cosper, AK
Go in, subscribe to us as an audio podcast. We’d appreciate it. Or continue watching us on the video podcast on YouTube and wherever else we stream and hang out with us in our discord. Yeah, say it
Sé Reed:[00:00:41]
Discord
It changes every week.
Sé Reed:[00:00:44]
just mysteriously changes.
Yeah. It’s Canva, man. It’s easy to change.
Sé Reed:[00:00:50]
I’m like, wait. Oh, den is my company. So that’s legit. It’s legit. But I don’t know so much that we like
Sé Reed:[00:01:02]
It’s gone through the changes. cha changes. Hey, actually, unintentionally, that’s a great segue into today’s topic.
Yes, it is.
Sé Reed:[00:01:12]
How nice. you wanna take that,
Yeah, Cosper. Go for it.
Yeah. just,doing a little, working on myself trying to, trying to center myself a little bit more. I’ve been, reading some, some materials around. Zen Buddhism and a few other things. And,a thing that really appealed to me lately, was, this concept in Buddhism known as the beginner’s mind.
When the cat’s away
I, And SAE does have big cat energy, doesn’t she?
she does.
Sé Reed:[00:02:18]
a big cat energy. That’s fun. Wow.
cat energy. no,
Sé Reed:[00:02:21]
I love it.
Tucker and I were talking a little bit before the show and when I’ve, helped out at, the happiness of our word camps, things like that when, I’ve been, working with people, like helping them, troubleshoot issues on our, on their sites, things like that. , I often hear people say,oh, I’m sorry, I’m new at this.
Sé Reed:[00:03:26]
No pun intended.
Yeah. yeah. no. Two t’s automatic
Sé Reed:[00:03:30]
Yeah,
but
Sé Reed:[00:03:33]
A seven C.
Sure. But yeah, so I, I really, the people who are starting with WordPress today are started within the past few years where, the block editor has just been the thing, where people are,this alternate reality
Sé Reed:[00:05:07]
The new way.
Yeah. But the new way, approach this with a beginner’s mind and, like actually, try and see and figure these things out. because that’s the way that we keep growing. That’s the way that we keep moving forward in.
Yep. Yeah.
Sé Reed:[00:05:34]
that, that extends not just to using, WordPress, as a software to build sites, but also to the community because it’s been around a long time and there is a way things are done. and there, especially if you’ve been around for a long time and you’ve experienced various ups and downs of WP drama, it’s easy to become jaded, which is, I think, the opposite of beginner’s mind, like a beginner’s mind.
The beginner’s mind. A cost analysis
Sure
just I, or technical debt where you’ve just spent so much time, energy, money putting into a thing, and then you get to, you, you get to where you’re at now with so many years of using it and you look back and you just go wow, I’ve spent, hundreds of dollars, thousands of hours,
Sé Reed:[00:09:54]
I would say thousands of dollars.
You know what I mean? Just like explaining how this thing works or figuring out how to do it or doing, standard operating procedures to make things work or coming up with workflows, solutions, whatever. And are you okay with throwing that away so that you can get a subpar product down the road that hopefully will catch its way up to where we’re at now with that?
Yeah. And it, this dovetails into,a concept known as the sunk cost fallacy. Where, effectively, the money that you’ve spent, the time, the effort, everything else, like you wanna get a return on your investment. You,Tucker Beaver Builder wasn’t free. Say,divvy not free.
Sé Reed:[00:10:38]
I, I’m still using Divvy. I just want everyone to know that
Sure.
Sé Reed:[00:10:42]
and also Divvy has a, is released, gonna release a new thing soon. That’s actually and this is why I’m really excited about what they’re doing, because they’re actually launching something that’s in tune with Gutenberg.
So I’m. . I don’t think that it has to be a old versus new. It doesn’t always have to be that way. This is what I was gonna say in terms of I
Sé Reed:[00:11:21]
starting start, it doesn’t have to be starting over all together, right? Like it can be from, I don’t know, not rebuilding, but there’s a word I’m missing here,
says here where, he thinks humans are in, or I think as well that, humans are inherently fearful of change. I’ve been making block sites and strictly from the mobile or from mobile since release those saying that block themes still aren’t even, aren’t, oh my gosh.
There, there is this, this German, concept, the is effect. I’m completely
Sé Reed:[00:12:24]
what? What is it?
Yeah, exactly. However,
Sé Reed:[00:12:37]
tell him.
German scientists, where,
Sé Reed:[00:12:54]
important to make a distinction there.
Hi Germans.
Sé Reed:[00:12:57]
Yeah.
to try to solve that puzzle using what they had learned from the first puzzle, even though it was not applicable for the second puzzle. it’s these, rote things that we end up learning, through experience through,doing this sort of thing. where we’re just like, no, this is the way we do it.
Like they’ve been doing things for years and, continue to make, building sites with Elementor very easy and straightforward. but a, as you’ve pointed out with divvy, say,divvy is working on. Gutenberg integration. they’ve announced like, Hey, we’re going to, try to do this, do things more the WordPress way as to where Elementor is.
Sé Reed:[00:15:30]
I think it’s to use more, I think it, I don’t know if it’s a Buddhist or what type of analogy is it? But, or just nature-based, but that, the river keeps moving and I’ve always felt that way about tech in general. And you can plant your flag in your, in the riverbank where you’re standing and just stand there.
I was gonna say it’s been so long since I’ve even heard the term Google Currents. I’ve forgotten what it is.
Sé Reed:[00:16:50]
I did too. I actually had to look it up and I was like, what? What is, what are you talking about ? Anyway,
Sé Reed:[00:18:39]
Such a
and I, yeah. Tucker and I were talking about, and he brought this up, that,there are folks who, just can’t abide. The changes that WordPress is making. okay, yeah, sure.
Sé Reed:[00:19:04]
That’s totally abandoning the experience and the altogether, like that’s a whole, that’s the whole other side of it.
But without realizing it, they are getting back into that beginner’s mindset. They are abandoning the thing that they’re used to, that they’ve built their sites, their career. all of this other stuff around and they’re like,the hell with it, I’m going to, pay the license fee for craft c m s or whatever and start doing things that way.
Sé Reed:[00:19:34]
Bubble. Have you heard about bubble? Anyway, sorry.
So it’s just really funny to, see people make this transition and not realize that they’re like, oh, wait, I’m, maybe I could just try this new thing and not have to learn everything all over.
Sé Reed:[00:20:32]
That’s an interesting approach, like taking a beginner’s mind approach to the thing that you’re in already as opposed to jumping ship. You’re saying like, you, that actually is really interesting in terms of doing that kind of,The middle way, is that about a Buddhist concept? I don’t remember if that’s a Buddhist concept or not, but I think it might be Dowist or Buddhist.
I’m not sure. I apologies. in the book yet, so I
Sé Reed:[00:20:55]
Okay. the, the idea of the middle way, It is not, it’s not a political idea, it’s that you can, it’s a, the where the river’s flowing the most sort of idea, and not necessarily in terms of being a centrist, but in terms of a balanced place to be.
Sé Reed:[00:21:53]
That’s what I am hoping to do intentionally trying to do with WordPress. But, I think we as Americans, especially right now and. Necessarily mean it politically, but it’s also applicable politically. and societally, we’re very much in a, we’re moving to the extremes of all of our arguments.
I think taking a project that you’re gonna be working on for yourself, something that, that you’re okay with not having it a hundred percent right from the start and taking that and approaching it from a different way. Don’t use any of the tools that you’re currently using. Don’t use any of the stuff that you’ve ever used before and try to run with it a different way.
Sé Reed:[00:24:31]
Says Ja says Jason, who has fully freaked out
Multiple times on live streams. Yep. Yep.
Sé Reed:[00:24:39]
What the heck? fun fact, I, took that approach with the WP Community Collective website, because I, I. Actually, I wanted it to be very neutral from any sort of political perspective. So I thought, or, I wanted to be free of all WP drama. So I, it is literally in, 2023.
Sé Reed:[00:25:26]
on which to build.
on it and then run that again.
Hello.
Sé Reed:[00:25:34]
literally nothing on it. Just text. Yes. But turns out text can be really accessible. Just black and white text on the screen. It’s good stuff. very basic.
we’ve been,
us up?
yeah, I was gonna say, we’ve been a little,heady here. Maybe,this, this episode is,philosophical. Sure. that this episode might, might.
Sé Reed:[00:25:54]
Contemplative
Yeah. let it settle in. Let the, the, get into the groove, the feel of it, but just really a few years ago, I, there was somebody who, commented in one of our episodes about how, we were commenting on something and maybe we were taking a little bit of, a jaded, approach to things
Sé Reed:[00:26:23]
I really snuck with you,
It really has. I’ve really tried to take it to heart and, really open myself up to that. and I the more that I’ve opened myself up, I’ve been like, you know what? This is actually, it’s been super helpful and
Sé Reed:[00:26:42]
That’s awesome.
Yes. Yes,
Sé Reed:[00:26:52]
So I think that’s really, I think that’s really cool to be also to be able to come back. By the way, it was a state of the word that we were, MST three kid.
Yeah, for sure.
And with that, our outro
Sé Reed:[00:27:14]
Bye.
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Sé Reed:[00:27:31]
Oh, I should go look at it.
get involved in stuff, save
Sé Reed:[00:27:35]
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see ya. Bye.
Sé Reed:[00:27:37]
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